Review of "ATLANTIS: A short history of a Platonic myth" by Pierre Vidal-Naquet - Ediciones Akal

Unlike the books I've been writing reviews, Atlantis: A short history of a Platonic myth It is not a book of science fiction. This is an essay written by Pierre Vidal-Naquet walking and analyzes the emergence of the myth of Atlantis in the Western world literature.Atlantis Pierre Vidal-Naquet

The book begins with Plato in 355 B.C. when Atlantis appointment and described both his work Timeo like in Critias. The author comes to our present time, via Rome, the Renaissance, for the works of Jules Verne, and even our Mn. Cinto Verdaguer which speaks of Atlantis in his eponymous poem.

Among other issues, also it analyzes how the Hitler era Germans take over the item and include it in their mythology, becoming the Aryan race, the race of the descendants of the Atlanteans. From this premise part of the argument of many science fiction books I've been chronicling in this blog.

After analyzing all available information about Atlantis, the opinion of Pierre Vidal-Naquet is that the myth of Atlantis was literally "invented" by Plato as a metaphor to illustrate an imaginary and utopian Athens, and that eventually the myth and history are mixed giving rise to numerous speculations about the origin of this lost continent, the descendants of the Atlanteans and the evolution of language and the Atlantean culture.

In the book, the author uses to include many interesting antique prints with maps of possible sites of Atlantis that have been published over the last 2000 years.

In general, a scholarly book, with lots of footnotes page (sometimes the note occupies almost the entire page) but we read with little effort to the minimum that a certain interest in the subject is taken. 100% recommended if you want to know more about Atlantis.

16 replies
  1. Eduardo Camacho Vidal
    Eduardo Camacho Vidal says:

    Hello in Peru a few years ago he discovered a group of pyramids, one of them in the form of snail. and it has the approximate height of about 8 stories high. found buried in land and vegetation.

    There are other pyramids lower but still important for what. As the place where the head of the region, The place is finely finished in stone. both its center ceremonialcomo other buildings between chulpas of white stones.
    Anyone wishing to help bring this to light please communicate who want to invest in this research or discovery.
    And I on my part and so it has a lot to do with the Atlantean culture.
    Greetings Eduardo Camacho Vidal

  2. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    If you want to entertain a little Hydraulic Civilization of the Antis.
    Open Google Earth and using the measure put a point in the Strait of Gibraltar "Pillars of Hercules" and the other point Rogagua Lake, located in the savannah of Musus, or in the Department of Beni, Bolivia .
    The idea is not to measure any distance, they look like the edges of the rectangular megalagunas of Musus form a straight line with the Strait of Gibraltar and the mouth of the Amazon line.
    I'm not just talking about the loopholes that are among the Beni and Mamore rivers, but so does the direction of the eastern lakes of the Mamore and those found south of San Pablo.
    I hope you have fun with the oddities heart of the South American nesos.
    salu2,
    David Antelo
    P.D: The mega rectangular lagoons of the Antis are 100% real and have nothing to do with any sound effect.

  3. JoseManu
    JoseManu says:

    Platón expone claramente en el Timeo y el Critias que Atlantis se hallaba localizada justamente “ante la boca” (pro tou stomatós) de las “Columnas de Hércules”, junto a Gadeira, nombre con el que era conocida Cádiz en la Antigüedad Clásica. La expresión “pro tou stomatós”, “ante la boca (o embocadura)”, como bien ha demostrado el investigador hispanocubano Georgeos Díaz-Montexano, solamente fue usada por los autores griegos para señalar algo que se hallaba muy próximo, “ante las puertas”, “a la vista”; desde unos pocos centímetros hasta no más de unos 20 km de distancia. Por consiguiente, es absolutamente imposible (entre otras muchas razones de peso, y de sentido común) que Atlantis estuviera en un lugar tan lejos de Gibraltar como lo está América del Sur (y otros remotos lugares del Mundo). Sin duda alguna, Atlantis solamente pudo hallarse en Iberia misma o en parte de esta y Marruecos, o muy próxima a ambas; en cualquier caso, como muy lejos a la altura de las Islas Madeira.

    Otra evidencia que apoya la identificación de la Atlántida con la Nêsos Iberia, es la descripción que leemos en el Critias 113-114, de como Poseidón dividió la Nêsos en 10 provincias o regiones, y como una de estas 10 regiones se hallaba junto a las mismas Columnas de Hércules y se llamaba Gadeira, o sea, Cádiz. Como bien demuestra Díaz-Montexano, el único lugar en todo el planeta tierra donde siempre han existido unas Columnas de Hércules, junto a un piélago o golfo Atlántico (términos que usa Platón), y junto a una región llamada Gadeira, es la misma área geográfica del entorno del actual Estrecho de Gibraltar.

    The alleged civilization of the Antis can be anything, but by no means the same Plato's Atlantis.

  4. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    Mr. JoseManu:
    I remember the famous character is Mr. Diaz-Montexano and not just David Antelo.
    Analyze the strategic positioning before answering.
    Mr which defends has not found an island of concentric rings with the description given by Plato, although it has started about a dozen of probable locations.
    One thing is quite another philology and geography.
    Do not confuse interpretation demonstration since the numbers, physical geography and care very little philology.
    Where is the nesos of the concentric rings of the famous Diaz-Montexano?
    I guess it must be corroborable and palpable to follow the "scientific rigor" ...
    Yes ... I know !!! ... despite the philologist invented about a dozen so far can not find it because it is misunderstood. Or not?
    When you find the nesos in Cadiz, please let us know, so we're going to measure it. Meanwhile we do not believe that the absence of evidence can be used as evidence of existence.
    Eye iconic and controversial character is Mr. Diaz-Montexano also is the wisest of the seven sages and the only one who knows the truth of the tangerine.

    salu2,
    David

  5. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    Mr. JoseManu:
    Thank you for the favor does to Antis with your comments.
    Eye is a memes that inadvertently supports.

    I do not speak of Atlantis, but of strategy.

    salu2,
    David

  6. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    Illustrious JoseManu:
    It is not correct to say that:
    -O-
    Platón expone claramente en el Timeo y el Critias que Atlantis se hallaba localizada justamente “ante la boca” (pro tou stomatós) de las “Columnas de Hércules”; junto a Gadeira, nombre con el que era conocida Cádiz en la Antigüedad Clásica. La expresión “pro tou stomatós”, “ante la boca (o embocadura)”…, solamente fue usada por los autores griegos para señalar algo que se hallaba muy próximo, “ante las puertas”, “a la vista”; desde unos pocos centímetros hasta no más de unos 20 km de distancia.
    -O-
    This is an interpretation of Mr. Diaz-Montexano and not a demonstration, as translations of texts from Plato to other languages, do not specify whether it was 20 cm, 20 km or 200 miles ... What I mean to accept the proposed version should assume that all translators (Except obviously Diaz-Montexano) were a troop of cretins who had no idea of ​​ancient Greek.
    If "scientific rigor" the matter is, it is better not confuse interpretation DEMONSTRATION, since the distance is immense and the overwhelming majority of translations of the texts of Plato, (A living language we please, except of Montexano) simply says that the famous nesos was in front ... without indicating any distance.
    As for the name Twin first King, we also forget that the illustrious Diaz-Montexano proves nothing, but simply interprets the following:
    Plato's text says that "the twin who was born after him, which he was fortunate the outside of the" nesos "from the columns of Heracles to the area known now in that place Gadirica gave Greek the Eumelo name, but in the language of the region, Gadiro. His name was probably the origin of that region. "
    That is, the King Gadiros became Cádiz, plays Diaz-Montexano.
    If we read the text well, with the "scientific rigor" which claims Mr. Diaz-Montexano we could not do the crazy with dimensions unless we are lax or militants philologists to adjust the data to our gracious wins.
    If the terms are used "from" and "to" it is clear that the Pillars of Heracles are not in the region called Gadirica and according translations 99% of cretins, (Except Diaz-Montexano, which is the only one who knows translate) Gadiro region is the outer part of the great nesos, which should contain a nesos of concentric rings with precise geofráficas measures that have nothing to do with philology, but with geography.
    Si de MOSTRACIONES estamos hablando, no nos podemos hacer los pengas si a algún filólogo le afirmo que en frente de las Columnas de Heracles existe una gran Nesos mayor que la Libia y el Asia de la antigüedad, que en su centro hay una Nesos de anillos concéntricos con las mismas medidas egipcias descritas por Platón y que dista a 50 estadios de un mar interior completamente rodeado por tierra firme y que de yapa tiene delfines… Pero como el filólogo puede seguir jodiendo con Cadiz, puedo decir que la parte externa de la gran nesos tiene una inmensa región cuyos habitantes se llaman Guajiros, cuyo nombre, (por Divina Providencia), se puede relacionar con Gadiro. Es más, las obras hidráulicas en la zona de los Guajiros son similares a las que se encuentran en el centro de la gran nesos descrita anteriormente, además de su cerámica, sus lomas, sus obras hidráulicas, su lenguaje, sus genes y sus mapas precolombinos.
    Ilustre Sr. JoseManu. Por favor le ruego ponerse en contacto con su maestro Diaz-Montexano para preguntarle si en alguno de los lugares que él propone como Atlantis (Que son cerca de una decena), ha encontrado una isla de anillos concéntricos cuyo centro mida 5 estadios, rodeada de un canal de agua de 1 estadio egipcio de ancho. Esa isla debe estar rodeada de una banda de tierra de 2 estadios de ancho, seguida por una extensión igual de agua que está limitada por una banda circular de 3 estadios de ancho de tierra, seguida de una de agua similar a la anterior.
    Do not forget that on the island of only non-CRETINO the planet, (Mr. Diaz-Montexano), must have walls that surround the island, not forget that the island should be under the shallow water and within it must have springs of cold water and hot water, as Plato says ... also do not forget to ask for the three external ports and docks double hollow inside, plus bridges named in the story of Plato.
    Sr. JoseManu, le voy a simplificar la figura. Una cosa es una Atlantis filológica y otra muy distinta es una Atlantis geográfica, ya que ni por asomo el Sr. Diaz-Montexano ha encontrado nada que cuadre con la descripción antes dada. Y cuando digo NINGUNA no quiero que ningún filólogo me interprete como que quise decir “al lado de una” o a 20 km de otra, sino que el Sr. Diaz-Montexano no ha entregado ni media nesos que tenga la descripción antes nombrada, mientras que en la NO-Atlántida de los Antis, sí existe una nesos real que cumple al pie de la letra con lo descrito anteriormente. Pero…, no hay por qué preocuparse, ya que no es Atlantis, sino la NO-ATLANTIS o una simple nesos de anillos concéntricos, construida por humanos, que se encuentra ubicada en el centro de una sabana rectangular de forma oblonga, rodeada de montañas que llegan hasta el mar y donde floreció la Civilización Hidráulica de los Antis, que dicho sea de paso, no tiene nada de mitológica e irreal, como sí podría cuestionarse el relato de Platón.
    I wonder what philological explanation is the following:
    "This area was facing nesos south wind, back to the constellation Ursa and protected by the north wind."
    A few hours ago I was back in Europe and I swear that Ursa was not back, and the times I have crossed hemisphere, I can assure you that the North is a cold wind while "back to the Osa" North is warm and in the center of the nesos of the Antis, it is the prevailing wind, especially, facing south wind, where the nesos of concentric rings, with walls and structures in its circular nesos and 50 Egyptian stadiums is far from an inland sea where dolphins live.
    Yo sé que hay que ser cretino para considerar que la ausencia de evidencia puede ser considerada como evidencia de ausencia, pero igual de cretino sería aquel que considera la ausencia de evidencia como evidencia de existencia. Lo que quiere decir que cerca de una decena de ubicaciones propuestas por el ilustrísimo Diaz-Montexano no pasan de ser una filológica INTERPRETACIÓN que no coincide con la descripción geográfica de una nesos de anillos concéntricos. Lo que las convierte en un juego de palabras en el cual NO SE DEMUESTRA NADA y para ello uno de los primeros supuestos de base que se debe asumir; es que el 99% de los traductores eran un regimiento de INEPTOS, salvo el ilustrísimo y sabio Diaz-Montexano.
    Sr. JoseManu. Si el argumento fuerte de su demostración se basa en que “la ausencia de evidencia puede utilizarse como evidencia de existencia” no está siguiendo el “rigor científico” del iluminado Diaz-Montexano y si quiere hablar de una DEMOSTRACIÓN o una hipótesis no filológica, mejor es que indique las coordenadas de la Nesos de anillos concéntricos descubierta por el gran iluminado.
    Unfortunately, as far as I heard, or two handfuls of locations proposed by the wise and aggressive Mr. Diaz-Montexano been able to find a nesos that "scientific rigor" that both touts this eminence, fits with the shape and dimensions indicated by the "Liar" Plato ...
    Obviously that Plato should be a "liar" as if Diaz-Montexano not find the nesos of concentric rings, should not be because the great philologist is wrong in their views, but because the philosopher was a moron and just the geographical description more detailed, was invented for the Spanish-Cuban wise show us the troops of uneducated morons, that only he knew read the old ones.
    salu2,
    David
    P.D: The ball is in their court.

  7. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    Mr. JoseManu:
    I think Mr. Diaz-Montexano is indebted to all Atlnatólogos the planet who, like him, seeking the mythical island.
    I say this because he, and he alone, has the original document in Greek and the balance of miscreants has in Latin ... I think Mr. Diaz-Motexano have it because Plato inheritance left him in Cuba.
    What a pity!!! He has it and does not share with the world, indicating that, and only that document, is the only one that can be considered absolutely true.
    Would you like to tell us how you managed to get the original Greek, if everyone else is all they aspire to know written in Latin? "Alea iacta est"
    Is it true that he, and he alone, has the original document or an interpretation?
    As the question is sarcastic from its base, from now on anyone it will occur say that thanks to a Tibetan monk, (because the title sounds weird), it got a text from the destruction of Atlantis, but Egyptian and he found it in the basement of a Christian church that was once a mitreo.
    I know the story is somewhat rare, but the story of the only true translation is the same caliber.
    What Tibetans have to do with the Egyptians?
    Nada!!! Yo no soy experto ni en filología tibetana ni egipcia…, de hecho, cuando leo egipcio lo hago en castellano y digo “ojo, momia parada, ojo, serpiente, momia sentada, escarabajo”, pero lo que me queda claro es que el relato original de la nesos desaparecida, no decía ‘pro tou stomatós’, sino algo así como “manito de un lado, ibis, un triángulo raro…, etc” o algo por el estilo.
    Sorry for the misspelling of my Castilian-Egyptian ... I admit that not dominate, but I know that the story in Egyptian could not say 'pro tou stomatos', "or the right next to", "20 cm", " within 20 km of "or anything like that. First, because the Egyptians did not measure in the MKS system, and secondly, because I do not think you philologist indicating the position of nearly a dozen Atlantis and neither one of them square with the numerous measures outlined by Plato, nor block its time period, making it the most purist free-interpreters.
    salu2,
    David

  8. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    An additional for Mr. Montexano.
    It turns out that if you change 9,000 years for 900, before Solon finds out that Atlantis disappeared, would have to provide evidence of the existence of elephants and horses in the sea, but the elephants should not be so common as to call them simply elephants, since their texts refer to the race of elephants, indicating a difference ... that proposals positions should be water and dolphin tail elephants, while horses graze in Atlantean must cans.
    If done crazy when convenient and discard what does not suit the matter is, is that the nesos of concentric rings must be protected from the north wind, facing south wind and back to the Osa, but not as this description is given in the dialogue alchemist (Timaeus), the nesos cited must be 50 stages of an inland sea surrounded by land (obviously, since otherwise it would not be an inland sea) and the great nesos, to Unlike the rings, it should be surrounded by authentic ocean.
    Mr. Diaz-Montexano should first explain why Plato describes a veritable sea surrounding the great nesos and then describes another, surrounded by land, which does not qualify as a true sea.
    Do not forget that the nesos of concentric rings must place it in an oblong savannah surrounded by mountains, but of "scientific rigor" the matter is, no one should forgive him license to invent a sheet that does not have the shape of a rectangular quadrangle unless the author is trying to fit a philological savannah clean hammer instead of a real savannah.
    Following the theme of Savannah, the author should not do penga, "if strictly scientific" as to the measures outlined by Plato, as side by side, ie, from the mountains on one side, to the mountains on the other, the savannah should measure 3,000 stadiums and from the middle of the sea up 2,000, but as "scientific rigor" and not mental straw is talking, the researcher is obliged to justify the measure that has been used to his calculations, since just a small peek at the old measures to realize that the stadiums can vary considerably, depending on the stage spoken of, since it is not the same Olympia that Delphi and let's not forget that the short story of Plato is of Egyptian origin, which means that if it is a transcript of an Egyptian story, the stadium would measure just over 158 m this measure did not change until the last dynasty where the Ptolemies (Greek), is they took over the empire of the Nile.
    Maybe I can overlook the climate issue in the matter, but the "rigorous scientific" Diaz-Montexano can not do so crazy with the theme of rainfall for the period proposed, without remembering that the Sahara already existed in the that time, (by the way), he misrepresented Plato, although he could say "performed".
    Digo esto porque debe ingeniarse una buena solución para su nesos que le permita cosechar la tierra dos veces al año. La primera, gracias a la buena voluntad de Zeus y la otra con los canales, sin olvidarnos que cualquiera de sus posiciones debe conectar dichos canales con su nesos de anillos concéntricos y no conforme con ello, la nesos de los anillos debe verter sus aguas al mar completamente rodeado por tierra firme… Al menos Platón dice que “con absoluta corrección” así se la puede llamar.
    Yo creo que el “riguroso”, no debe hacerse el loco con el clima tan a la ligera, ya que su sabana debe llenarla de canales, ríos, pantanos y lagos, como indica Platón, salvo que el filósofo sea un mentiroso consumado. Además debe arreglárselas para bajar todo tipo de madera de sus montañas y la verdad es que no sé cómo lo haría en el 900 antes de Solón y en un lugar en el que no aclara dónde se encuentra.
    En cuanto a los temas de la guerra, mejor es no olvidarse que Atlantis estaba dividida en 10 reinos y la descripción que se hace en el Critias es únicamente del reino central, que es el dirigido por Atlante. Habría que preguntar al individuo que plantea la Atlantis filológica ¿Dónde están los 60.000 distritos que nombra Platón? Y no sólo la nesos de anillos, pero mejor es que no se haga el penga, ya que los distritos no pueden estar en otro lugar que no sea la sabana, suave, llana y plana que se describe, pero para complicar un poco más el asunto, debieran sacarse las cuentas de la cantidad de personas que debieron vivir en la llanura, ya que para la guerra cada distrito aportaba unas 20 personas, pero obviamente que el distrito no se componía de aquellos 20 que irían a la guerra.
    Si el filólogo se da cuenta, está obligado a alimentar un ejército de 1.200.000 personas y solo se habla del reino central, así que debe ver dónde mete el saldo del ejercito que aportan los 9 reinos hermanos de Atlantis, considerando que alguien se debe quedar para hacer producir la tierra y que los hijos no se queden solos. Si el ejército es el 20% de la población (Un Super Ejército), su nesos debe estar poblada al menos por 6.000.000 de habitantes… ¿Esta cantidad de personas entran en su Atlantis que navega entre Europa y África? Sí, seguro que debe entrar allí, solo que ya se murieron de hambre hace mucho tiempo, ya que según su investigación filológica los Atlantes que vivieron 900 años antes de Solón, no conocían el tractor, pero eran magos de la producción agrícola, ya que en el mismo terreno deben haber inmensos bosques, pantanos, lagos y ríos, además de manadas de caballos y la famosa raza de elefantes que es muy voraz. No olvidemos que este mismo territorio es rico en minerales y debe tener la capacidad de mantener un ejército de al menos 1.200.000 hombres… Es mejor que los nueve reinos adicionales no jodan y mantengan su propio ejército, ya que la Capital debió estar bastante ocupada en mantener el suyo procurando que su gente no se muera de hambre.
    Of the 60,000 districts, the philologist should indicate at least 1,000 ... or not ?, which is only 1.7% of the total, since 3,000 years is not so long as time for greater wealth and power he described swallow Plato.
    One thing is a philological Atlantis and another to a geographical Atlantis.
    salu2,
    David

  9. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    In the dialogue Timaeus, or Nature, you can read that the priest of Sais, Solon tells him that the great destruction of Atlantis happened 9,000 years ago. This means that meant a great cataclysm occurred some 11,500 years before present.
    The date in question, at first glance be considered ridiculous, but certainly that is a key to different branches of modern science, which "obvious" reasons, should not be known to the priest of Sais period. However, his description and explanation fits perfectly into a story that has nothing to do with mythology.
    Desde el punto de vista de los restos paleontológicos, se sabe muy bien que hace unos 11.500 años atrás ocurrió una de las más grandes extinciones en masa que ha visto el planeta. En este sentido, la Tierra, en su historia ha visto seis grandes extinciones y justamente una de ellas fue la que ocurrió en el borde del Pleistoceno – Holoceno.
    Lo extraño del asunto, es que no se puede culpar de la extinción en masa al periodo de deglaciación, ya que antes de éste, habían ocurrido decenas de glaciaciones sin que se den las extinciones en masa que acontecieron en el Younger Dryas. Uno de los sospechosos que aparece en la lista es el humano, pero el problema es que nuestra especie ya había visto eras de hielo anteriores y lo mismo se puede decir de nuestros primos Neandertales, que vivieron en Europa unos 250.000 años y en todas las eras de hielo que vieron pasar, no ocurrió ninguna extinción masiva como la de Younger Dryas.
    En un reciente reportaje de NatGeo, que trata sobre el Proyecto Genográfico Humano, emprendido conjuntamente con IBM, por fin se dignaron a considerar, al menos tangencialmente, uno de los agujeros negros encontrado en Sudamérica. Esta pequeña referencia de NatGeo, hace unos pocos años atrás podría haberse considerado una herejía absoluta, ya que pisa muchos callos y reputaciones del sacrosanto Consenso de Clovis, pero con 14.000 años de antigüedad certificada del humano en Sudamérica, la cuerda temporal del poblamiento tardío se rompe muy fácilmente, ya que en este periodo, la masa Laurentina, no pudo crear un paso libre de hielos. De yapa, Monte Verde – Chile, no queda a la vuelta de la esquina de Bering, sino en el hemisferio opuesto y es sabido que en esa época no existía una sociedad Británico –Francesa que construyese el Concorde.
    In this sense, the reasoning applied Occam's Razor to last Yesusa`iri video, you will see that it has the essential ingredient of consistency and simplest solution would explain many black holes in various branches of science, such as the Archaeology, Anthropology, Geology, Climatology or paleontology, but if they try to break down a little more in detail the issue, will encounter explaining 10% of nuclear haplogroups found in the Americas and the strange Mitochondrial haplogroups.
    The video can be viewed at:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-Maq2AJFo
    If the Apocalypse do not scare, I hope you have fun.
    Someone once asked the loaded question if I had run out of arguments. If this person takes the time to see the video, will readily appreciate that this is a summary of 10 minutes before you can think to ask if I ran out of ink, I'll answer that one thing your wishes and quite another the data are still stored in Yesusa`iri. If you still doubt this statement, you are cordially invited to stroll through the fish tank full of palometillas and so all will see what they're made his "truths."
    salu2,
    David

  10. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    As long I do not write, I will copy verbatim a story that came to me last night and says the following:
    "Querido Davico,
    I send this article I just found on the internet and it has just been published.

    At last! They have discovered El Dorado

    Through photographs taken from space, experts have discovered huge mounds in the Amazon basin, pointing to a sophisticated pre-Columbian culture. A complex network of structures spanning over 250 kilometers and the Spanish conquistadors searched fruitlessly.
    BY RORY CARROLL | 09/01/2010 | 23:02

    LONDON (The Guardian). El Dorado was a supposed Amazonian civilization that rivaled the Incas and Aztecs, but the Spanish conquistadors never found. In 1920, the British Percy Fawcett led an expedition to find it, but never heard of it, disappearance that inspired Conan Doyle's lost world.

    It is the legend that drew legions of explorers and adventurers to their deaths: an ancient empire of citadels and hidden deep in the Amazon jungle treasures. Spanish conquistadors ventured in your search, followed through the centuries by others convinced they would find a lost civilization to rival the Aztecs and Incas.

    Some seekers called it El Dorado, others the City of Z. But the jungle swallowed them and nothing was found, solidifying his myth. The Amazon was too inhospitable, scholars of the twentieth century said, to permit large human settlements.

    Now, however, doomed dreamers have proved to be right: there was a great civilization. New satellite imagery and flyovers have revealed more than 200 huge geometric surface works carved in the upper Amazon basin near the border between Brazil and Bolivia.

    Covering more than 250 kilometers, there are squares and other geometric shapes forming a network of streets and sidewalks that were built before Columbus reached the New World. Some date as far back as 200 B.C., others to 1283.

    Scientists have mapped the works believe there could be another 2,000 structures beneath the jungle, remnants of a vanished society. The structures, many of which have been revealed by the clearing of forests for agriculture, point to a sophisticated pre-Columbian monument building society, said the journal Antiquity, which published the research.

    The article adds, the hitherto unknown people constructed works of precise geometric plan connected by straight roads. Culture spans a region of more than 250 kilometers, and exploits both the floodplains and the uplands have not seen so far more than one tenth.

    The structures might have kept a population of 60 thousand people, more than in many European medieval towns.

    Los descubrimientos han demolido las ideas de que los sueños en el Alto Amazonas eran demasiado pobres para sustentar una agricultura extensiva, dice Denise Schaan, coautora del estudio y antropóloga de la Universidad Federal de Pará, en Belém, Brasil. Dijo al National Geographic: Encontramos que este cuadro está equivocado. Y hay mucho más por descubrir en estos lugares, es interminable. Cada semana encontramos nuevas estructuras.

    Muchos de los montículos eran simétricos y se orientaban al norte, generando teorías de que tenían significación astronómica. A los investigadores les sorprendió especialmente que las obras en las planicies anegables y en las tierras altas fueran de un estilo similar, lo que sugiere que todas fueron construidas por la misma cultura. En la arqueología amazónica siempre se tiene esta idea de que se encuentra a diferentes pueblos en diferentes ecosistemas, dijo Schaan.

    The first geometric forms were detected in 1999 but is only now, as satellite imagery reveals places, which is running the scale of settlements clear. Some anthropologists say that rival the pyramids of Egypt.

    These revelations are busting our perceptions about what it was really America before Columbus, said David Grann, author of The Lost City of Z, a book about an attempt of the 1920s to find signs of Amazonian civilizations.

    The findings are challenging long time installed assumptions about the Amazon where there might have been only small primitive tribes, and respect the limits imposed by the environment to the rise of civilizations. are also vindicating, said Grann, Percy Fawcett, who led the British expedition to find the City of Z. Fawcett's group vanished, giving rise to a mystery and inspiring book Conan Doyle's The Lost World. "
    salu2,
    David
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9-Maq2AJFo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-b6SjeaAkY

  11. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    http://spanish.peopledaily.com.cn/92121/6871331.html

    ESPAÑOL
    the ruins of an ancient Amazonian civilization discovered in Brazil

    These geometric shapes were important symbols of the time.
    Signs of what could be an ancient civilization previously
    unknown emerging from beneath the felled trees
    Amazon region. A total of 260 huge avenues, long channels
    irrigation and fencing for cattle that have been sighted from the air
    almost on the border between Bolivia and Brazil.

    New satellite imagery and overflights in the area have revealed more
    200 huge geometric surface works carved basin
    Upper Amazon, near the border between Brazil and Bolivia. covering more
    240 kilometers, there are squares and other geometric shapes forming
    a network of streets and sidewalks that were built before Columbus
    came to the New World. Some remotan to 200 BC, and others to
    1283.

    "In the Amazonian archeology you always have this idea that
    find different peoples in different ecosystems, "said Denise
    Schaan, of the Federal University of Para in Belem, Brazil. according to his
    calculation, construction of these works required the work of a
    60 thousand people, while possibly still have thousands of
    similar constructions in the bottom of the jungle to discover.

    The traditional view is that before the arrival of the Spanish and
    Portuguese in the fifteenth century there were no complex societies in the
    Amazon basin, in contrast to the region of the Andes, to the west,
    where the Incas built their cities. Now deforestation,
    increased air travel and satellite imagery are
    telling a different story. (CIIC)
    18/01/2010

    Satellite images show buildings with geometric shapes.

  12. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    Let's break some paradigm.
    Nazca lines did know?
    It is a fairly well-known figures, but most likely is unfamiliar with the mega figures of the pre-Columbian Antis formed with ridges.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuZjTQDy70M
    This finding was reached thanks to the pre-Columbian maps deciphered in 2006-2007 and found in mountainous edges of the Antis.
    Have fun!
    salu2,
    David

  13. David Antelo
    David Antelo says:

    To broach the subject of Atlantis, the reference point is Plato in his dialogues Timaeus and Critias, just that this is a tall order, since almost nobody reads them. Usually people know the topic through a TV report or a book about the lost civilization.
    For those who do not like to read, at the following addresses are named in the dialogues before videos. If you do not like images, close the window and I assure you that is textual copy of the Dialogues.
    The difference between the different translations is minimal, since the measures describing Atlantis do not change in the least, nor does the rest of the description.
    Part 1 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1wQN4-Bh_I
    Part 2 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ1wOXOwRSI
    Part 3 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzcmLLcCZBQ
    Part 4 of 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWX7mxvl36w
    I repeat, if they do not like the video images, close the window and listen to him.
    Regards,
    David

    P.D: Yapa send them a video about Hydraulic Civilization of the Antis, which is completely real. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50vMwD0DIfk

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